And as the Taliban – let me finish … David, if you let me finish… sorry, David, I’m going to insist on finishing my answer. At the end of the day what we achieved in Afghanistan was trying to give that country a go at being a success. Now, sadly, at the end of the day as the Taliban forces rolled in, it was very clear that that state was not able to defend itself and the question there goes: How long do the coalition forces remain in a place…? How many American, Australian and other lives are going to be committed to that end? Australia, the United States, so many of us, we have many interests around the world and we have to keep Australians safe as well, and that’s what we’ve been working to do. I would say this to all the veterans, as John Howard has said, there is no hierarchy of sacrifice or our Australian soldiers. Wherever they have fallen, they have fallen under our flag in our name, defending our values, and in every single case, they have died in a good cause and that is Australia’s cause, and the values we stand for.
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